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We speak with author and antiwar activist Rahul
Mahajan in Baghdad who was one of the only western reporters in Fallujah
during the U.S. siege. He says: "The United States has completely lost
control, and even the mildest of people are now absolutely enraged
at what is being done in Fallujah, and want the United States out...anyone
that didn't have a gun today could pick up a gun tomorrow."
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I can tell you from whatever I have seen, there's a big controversy
now with the Arab press, Al-Jazeera, in particular reporting U.S. atrocities
and war crimes in Fallujah, and the U.S. press tamely reporting Brigadier
General Mark Kim's claims no such thing is happening. I can tell you
from what I have seen with my own eyes that Al-Jazeera is much closer
to the truth.
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AMY GOODMAN: In your blog at empirenotes.org, you quote "Time" magazine "in
some neighborhoods, the marines say anyone they spot in the streets
is considered a bad guy." says Marine Major, Larry Kafish, "It's hard
to differentiate between people who are insurgent or civilians. You
just have to go with your gut feeling." Your response.
RAHUL MAHAJAN: Well, it's absolutely true. It is
true that some of the young men in Fallujah have not picked up their
kalasnikovs yet, but the resistance, the Mujahadin, they are the people
of the town.
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It's true that anyone that doesn't have a gun today could pick up a
gun tomorrow. That says, to me, not that they're justified in killing
any military age male or making sure they remain there in besieged
Fallujah. Which is their policy. They're not letting military age men
out in general. They made an exception for us. We brought some wounded
out. But it says, to me, that rather than saying that what they're
doing is justified, it says they're in the wrong town in the wrong
country, executing the wrong policy. If anyone could be the enemy,
then you have no justification for being there. It is in fact the exact
logic they used in large areas of Vietnam, in any of the three fire
zones. For example, military aged males, if they were moving at all,
they were targets, and they could be shot at indiscriminately.
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AMY GOODMAN: What about the U.S. government saying that it is calm
now in Fallujah, that there is a cease-fire?
RAHUL MAHAJAN: Well, they were saying that when
I was there, and there was no cease-fire. I mean, I think what they
did was they spent a few days without dropping the 500-pound bombs,
which is what they were using, 500-pound bombs on residential areas
is a terrifying thing. They were not using those, so they called it
a "cease-fire".
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So I think the claim of a cease-fire was a joke and I see no reason
to believe it now, either.
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AMY GOODMAN: Would you say that there is tremendous fear among the
Iraqis?
RAHUL MAHAJAN: There was fear. There was a great
deal of fear. But I see -- I actually see Iraqis losing their fear,
and seeing it translated into anger. The same people that have said,
you know, "Al Sadr's people are thugs", well, some of them still say
it, but now they say it, in a sense, "they're our thugs and they're
protecting us against the brutal occupiers". People of Fallujah say
that the Mujahadin, they're our boys and our people and, you know,
we support them. So, I don't think that the Iraqi people feel -- I
think that they do feel that there will be consequences. There are
women in Baghdad who go around with uncovered heads who know that in
Fallujah, if they do that, they're very likely to be the subject of
violence, but they still support the Mujahadin because they're so much
against the brutal occupation. So I see much less fear and much more
anger.
AMY GOODMAN: And have you gotten an chance to talk
to U.S. soldiers?
RAHUL MAHAJAN: Initially I did, when I was in Sadr
city, a couple of days after the outbreak of violence there, and I
talked to some young men who were posted there. They had only been
in Iraq three weeks, so they were more friendly and easier to approach.
There was one we tried to talk to who simply kind of waved at us in
the way that most troops will do if they've been in the country a long
time, they get extremely wary and nervous. But these guys talked to
us. They were perfectly nice. They were very, very ignorant of what
was going on in Iraq. They were there in Sadr city because of clashes
with Al Sadr's Madi army. So, I asked them, "What do you think about
the stuff with Al Sadr. What do you think about the Madi army?" They
said, "What? Who is that? Who are they? In fact one of them was very
curious and came up and asked us several questions trying to figure
out who these people were. They were thrown in here. They don't know
any Arabic. They don't even know how to say, "please get away from
the tank" in a respectful way, and they're sent over here to kill people
and die. And it is a shame. I haven't been able to talk to any in more
recent days.
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